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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 18:54:08 GMT
Early December I posted concerns regarding the unfolding debate on AgNO3 which expanded into salicylic acid on the Foot Health Practitioners Topic. These concerns have been ridiculed, regarded as patronising and finally disregarded by a core group who "control" this forum. Congratulations to the forum adminstrator(s) for their wit. The silver nitrate thread now appears on all topics.
On two occasions, fairly recently, I have witnessed and resolved the effects of inappropriate use of salicylic acid applied according to BNF and OTC licensed product instructions therefore my concerns are justified. Neither "advisor" had the underpinning knowledge of a Podiatrist. One injured party successfully sued their "advisor". Common sense was not indicated in either case.
As Robert points out "FHP are not children to be denied information because it is too difficult for them". Then furnish the FHP with real and useful facts not theoretical prowess; provide FHPs with a wholesome education if that is the desire of this forum, then I will not raise any further objections.
This is the first forum I have come across that makes an attempt to segregate FHP's from the rest of the posters - or this is how it would seem to a casual observer hence my observation of vigilante behaviour. Perhaps it would be better and less likely to cause misunderstanding if this area were amalgamated with the other topics, making all forum users equal but of course with some remaining more equal than others.
It is disheartening to find that those who engage with a different style to the majority on this forum are branded internet trolls. My own opinion has engendered such appalling attitudes that no wonder this forum has become a joke.
Yours sincerely,
Pete
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Post by dtt on Dec 8, 2008 20:18:54 GMT
Hi Pete Well we have all had a laugh at you and your attempts to disrupt this forum ( vigilantes that we are ) and thought you had decided this place was not for you We all actually agree with that, so perhaps you would like to continue your rebuttal on the site/forum from whence you came Give our best wishes to the rest of the Trolls that live under the bridge,rocks,stones or wherever Bye Bye cheers D
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10feet
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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 20:53:25 GMT
Would you be kind enough to explain? I cannot follow your reasoning.
Pete
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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 20:55:02 GMT
And whilst you give me the courtesy of your response, would you kindly explain what Karma is or is this something else i should take offence at?
Pete
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Post by blinda on Dec 8, 2008 21:02:01 GMT
Hi Pete,
I`m sorry that you feel your concerns were ridiculed, patronizing and disregarded, I honestly don`t think that was the intention.
You raised an important issue regarding re-examining a treatment plan, when it does not achieve the desired outcome, and referring to/seeking advice from others where appropriate. I agree that creating referral pathways is essential and can be undervalued, or overlooked, in an area of practice such as ours, where we often work alone. This is why I like this forum; it allows all practitioners, with a variety of backgrounds, to both ask and offer advice in light of current and evidence based research. I have certainly learnt a great deal by taking part in debates here.
The original posters asked for advice on application, effectiveness, indication and contraindications of silver nitrate, which was provided by Robert, Chifhpod and me, which naturally developed into a discussion on the current recommendation for VPs; Sal Acid. Counsel was also given to refer to another practitioner if they lacked experience in using caustics, all practical and useful facts. As the course of the debate progressed, with others joining in, other treatments and their efficacy and mode of action (all relevant to the original post of enquiry on effective VP treatment) were discussed. I fail to see the need to move a debate, whether it was started by a FHP, FCA, Grandparented, degree trained pod or pod surgeon, to another thread if the theme stays relevant to the original posting.
We are certainly not encouraging any type of apartheid system or vigilante action on this forum. Out of interest, to which authority do you refer to when you said;
What is in need of change? I think that maybe this remark, along with a defensive (bordering on the offensive) tone is what lead to any inference of trolling. I, for one, would be delighted if you could dispel this by continuing to engage in polite, meaningful debate as set out in your initial posts.
Cheers, Bel
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10feet
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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 21:14:41 GMT
The one and only authority who can resolve the situation within the private foot care market - the Health Professions Council.
Probably this opinion does not sit well here either.
Pete
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Post by blinda on Dec 8, 2008 21:23:26 GMT
The footcare industry involves more than Pods and as the HPC can only regulate its registrants, I cannot see how or why it would take any interest in the podopolitics of our day.
Bel
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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2008 21:28:11 GMT
Hi Pete,
You said: "This is the first forum I have come across that makes an attempt to segregate FHP's from the rest of the posters - or this is how it would seem to a casual observer hence my observation of vigilante behaviour. Perhaps it would be better and less likely to cause misunderstanding if this area were amalgamated with the other topics, making all forum users equal but of course with some remaining more equal than others."
One and only explanation from me coming up.
We don't segregate FHPs from other users. FHPs can and do post on the rest of the boards. However the FHP Board is for topics specific to FHPs.(Suggest you check out the defn of segregate).
No one is more (or less) equal than anyone else. Everyone is welcome to attend our free CPD meetings, and everyone can post pretty much what they want, provided it is relevant, polite, not spam, and not "adult".
You asked about "karma".
Go checkout any other Proboards free forum hosting. They all feature "karma" as a way of validating a prolific and/or quality poster. Some Proboards forums choose not to use this facility - we choose to.
If you want to join in this community please do so - otherwise please leave.
Thanks.
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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2008 21:33:24 GMT
The one and only authority who can resolve the situation within the private foot care market - the Health Professions Council. Probably this opinion does not sit well here either. Probably because its total bollocks . You sound just like I did 37 years ago when I first qualified (substitute HPC for Professions Supplementary to Medicine Act) - sniff - dewy-eyed innocence . The HPC will do about as much for Podiatry (the private sector) as the PCSM Act did (ie - bugger all). Strange how I can post some (lesser) profanities here without the [glow=red,2,300]automatic profanity-deleter [/glow]deleting them ;D
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Post by robertisaacs on Dec 8, 2008 21:46:02 GMT
Not sure what you mean here pete. Perhaps you could elaborate.
I feel there is a point to be made here on what constitutes "useful facts and wholesome education". Obviously your ideas on this run contrary to mine as i think all of the information on that thread was useful and wholesome. There are many who posted on that thread with backgrounds in clinical education who obviously DID think it was useful and many who read it (including myself) who found it interesting. Whilst i regret that you did not find all of the information applicable or useful that remains only your view. It is hard to take this view seriously when it is offered so aggressively and anonymously!
Whilst i am gratified by your desire to improve this site i'm not sure entering with a combatative attitude, calling its members vigilantes and calling the site a joke is a terribly good way to win "hearts and minds." Your passion to remake us to your taste may have damaged your ability to sway people to your argument.
The internet is a free place. There are many podiatry forums (fora?). If this one is not to your taste then perhaps you would get more stimulation on another? I can think of one in which the posters are almost all anons, post aggressively and where the primary topic of conversation is what FHPs can be taught and how rubbish this forum is. If, as you say, this forum is "a joke" then why do you bother to post here?
Robert
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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 21:50:19 GMT
Absolutely.
The HPC regulations apply to protect the public. This regulation should be expanded to all suppliers of footcare.
The HPC have mooted a licencing system with complaints being directed to the Magistrates Court.
I am certain many FHP's would engage with a licencing system. Their trade must be being affected by movements within the voluntary sector.
David as I have said, I have been ridiculed, regarded as patronising and disregared.
I have angered DTT once again, which has resulted in what can only be described as nonsensical posting which I do not understand. Yes I previously got angry and posted inappropriately on the other topic. I realise you edited what could have caused offence to one person. I withdrew from this area and will refrain from posting as I still do not agree with this method of education. This my opinion and one which I will stand by.
You invite me join the community or leave. If having an alternative opinion prevents me from joining, are you forcing me to leave?
Again, I find these unwritten rules confusing.
Pete
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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2008 22:01:42 GMT
Pete, Read the rules above. If you want to join in on the same footing as the rest - SCP members, INST Members, SMAE members (some are FHPs) and some are FHPs from other professional bodies - please comply with our rules. Don't FCUK about. Polite disagreement is not only OK, The forum encourages it. Please substantiate all "facts" with refs where possible (as other members of the forum do), or be prepared to have a very good explanation otherwise. Same with me if i post on Pod-Arena. Even though I'm a Mod there I still have to be prepared to substantiate everything I post.
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Post by 10feet on Dec 8, 2008 22:03:17 GMT
David
You have all asked me to be polite.
Had I made a posting of this quality I would now find myself unwelcome and no doubt barred.
Please may I ask for the same good manners as you demand from me.
I have started a reasoned debate to protect both the public and respect the work of the more discerning FHP. Once again I am ridiculed.
Pete
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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2008 22:15:21 GMT
Pete, You said: "The one and only authority who can resolve the situation within the private foot care market - the Health Professions Council.
Probably this opinion does not sit well here either."
My personal opinion of this is that it is total nonsense. If you have a problem with the word bollocks I'm sorry. If you want to substantiate this comment I'd like to see the reasoning (with any history or documentation if possible) behind it.
If you post a new thread with the title Appalling attitudes on this forum I really can't understand why you would be suprised that some posters don't take you seriously, or are not too polite to you.
We are delighted to welcome new members (and we do, all the time). If you feel this forum is not for you try thatfootsite, Pod-arena, or your own professional body site.
If you want to stay please read the rules and comply.
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Post by 10feet on Dec 9, 2008 6:28:15 GMT
I suggest that you download the the HPC's Strategic Intent 2007-2011 from their website. Unfortunately I cannot check the council minutes to see if there is any further referencing for this public arena. There appears to be a problem with the HPC website - page not downloading and whole site is littered with syntax errors.
Touche. I think the same could also be said of one or two longstanding posters on this forum. Sometimes the written word can be interpreted in many different ways and perhaps not as the author intended. Forum posts lack facial expressions, body language and vocal tones.
This is where I am struggling. The only rules I can find on this whole site are the ones written in blue at the top of the site. It is the unwritten rules that are the hardest ones to follow and these appear to change dependent upon who is posting. I assume that the rules are in the process of being re-written and are down at the moment, soI shall wait patiently to be directed to the new version.
Just for the sakes of this forum, I do not post on any other public forum and do not have any intentions of doing so.
Pete
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