Apos

[seekerofwisdom]

One for the bio boys and especially those with knowledge of Bupa and and Physio Chris Colder at Wellness Centre in Solihul.

www.apostreatment.co.uk/

None Bupa cost £3250.

Found in the Daily Mail 7th July.

Shy

[davidh]

I see a flaw in the "special calibrated insoles" system.

Anyone else?

[hilo]

Glaring isn't it.

[davidsmith]

Ok I'll bite. I can't stand the suspense anymore

Are you reffering to the fact that they claim that APOS can only be used on flat hard ground like offices and supermarkets and shopping centres and yet all their advertising shows people walking in the countryside apparently enjoying the benefit of APOS (while not wearing them. but still experiencing the functional change that relieves pain???)

Lets not get into knocking this system too quickly there could well be benefits of using it since clearly the CoP plantar to the foot can be changed and it is an effective rocker system, which has implications for reduction of saggital plane progression perturbation. This APOS has been discussed on Pod Arena at www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=16687&highlight=APOS

Cheers Dave

[davidh]

Jul 17, 2009 10:14:56 GMT davidsmith said:

Ok I'll bite. I can't stand the suspense anymore

Are you reffering to the fact that they claim that APOS can only be used on flat hard ground like offices and supermarkets and shopping centres and yet all their advertising shows people walking in the countryside apparently enjoying the benefit of APOS (while not wearing them. but still experiencing the functional change that relieves pain???)

Lets not get into knocking this system too quickly there could well be benefits of using it since clearly the CoP plantar to the foot can be changed and it is an effective rocker system, which has implications for reduction of saggital plane progression perturbation. This APOS has been discussed on Pod Arena at www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=16687&highlight=APOS

Hi Dave,

thanks for the link. I read a few of the posts - medial or lateral FF wedging would do more or less the same I think, and much cheaper.

Can only work on hard, flat surfaces - ie not outside, not even on pavements (is the flaw).

BUPA are now in on the act. which explains the hefty price-tag. Come back P and B, all is forgiven!
;D

How can any insole or shoe system help a torn ACL? The ACL helps to stabilise the knee against for/aft movement.

Cheers,

Davidh

[hilo]

I thought putting wobbleboards under your feet would be a good way of disrupting the 'hard flat surfaces we did not evolve to walk on'?

The flaw I thought was in the apparent failure to take into account diurnal variation during the measurement and prescription process.

Unless of course that is delt with in the detailed instructions for wearing the devices.

Then hey, what about that guys hair?

Still as you say David a new price target to aim for?

Hilo

[davidh]

Hi,

As you say, diurnal variation is another aspect (which I had forgotten about) which is likely to affect outcomes.

The pricing is just plain wrong. It'll do us some harm short-term, then eventually sink without trace.

[billliggins]

Interesting thing is that no medical insurance company that I know of will pay for prostheses, including orthoses and shoes. So unless BUPA are making an exception in this case, all will have to pay.

All the best

Bill Liggins

[twirly]

Hi Bill,

Jul 17, 2009 15:15:26 GMT billliggins said:

Interesting thing is that no medical insurance company that I know of will pay for prostheses, including orthoses and shoes. So unless BUPA are making an exception in this case, all will have to pay.
All the best
Bill Liggins

In fact Westfield Health (Sheffield)
www.westfieldhealth.com/individual-health-plans/prices-and-benefits.asp

Do & will cover bespoke surgical footwear & prescription orthosis costs (depending on level of customers cover).

www.westfieldhealth.com/pdfs/schemechange09/good4you/policyDocument.pdf#page=5

SURGICAL APPLIANCE
Your maximum benefit allowance is available over a one year benefit period.
When…
■ you pay for an appliance prescribed by your GP, Consultant Physician/Consultant
Surgeon, Chiropodist/Podiatrist, Physiotherapist, Acupuncturist, Chiropractor or
Osteopath and
■ you provide us with evidence that the appliance was prescribed for your use and
■ you submit your claim in accordance with section 7, General Terms and Conditions

Perhaps BUPA should catch on.

The most expensive providers of insurance aren't always the best.

Regards,

Mandy.

[billliggins]

Ee ba gum. Ah should've knawed t'Yorkshire lads and lasses would put one over on't t' weak southerners!

Not to split hairs, but I think that Westfield is a health (more properly illness) benefits company, as opposed to the major health insurance companies such as BUPA, PPP, WPA, Norwich Union etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that they pay for private hospital in patient treatment?

It certainly would appear a little strange that a BUPA organisation is promoting this treatment and then not funding it.

All the best

Bill

[twirly]

Hi again Bill,

Jul 17, 2009 22:33:37 GMT billliggins said:

. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that they pay for private hospital in patient treatment?
Bill

www.westfieldhealth.com/individual-health-plans/health-cash-plan.asp

*
Additional benefits fixed cash payouts for:

* Hospital stays (both In-Patient and Day Surgery)
* Recuperation
* If you or your partner has a baby or if you decide to adopt!


They also cover consultation costs. My daughter was covered by this company & they paid the full amt. for consultation, in patient t/x in private hospital + all follow up costs.

Sorry to disrupt the original thread.

Regards,

Mandy.

[billliggins]

Thanks for that Mandy. worth remembering.

However, I have to tell you that I am unlikely to have a baby. Who knows; anything is possible!

All the best

Bill