davidh
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Jul 15, 2009 6:01:27 GMT
Post by davidh on Jul 15, 2009 6:01:27 GMT
Robert sorry still cannot do the quoty thing I'm just thick. ;D ;D ;D Whatever your answer, yes or no, would you be prepared to explain why. The reason is you have done both courses, no degree pod would ever go back and do the 'private course', so it is always a one way route. In the same way that doing a degree top-up after a 3-year Diploma is one-way, or doing a Masters or a PhD after an undergrad degree is one-way. Of course it's one-way - it's called progression.
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seekerofwisdom
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Jul 15, 2009 6:21:12 GMT
Post by seekerofwisdom on Jul 15, 2009 6:21:12 GMT
David Thank you for that clarification. I'd send you some karma but cannot find the button now. Shy. Look I've found a smiley practice makes perfect? Oh does bold mean 'shouting or is that still capitals?
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10feet
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Jul 15, 2009 6:23:08 GMT
Post by 10feet on Jul 15, 2009 6:23:08 GMT
Seeker of Wisdom
Good debate you are having here.
One point I would totally agree with - taking debates to PM's. If this happens it becomes personal, private, unmoderated and inappropriate. This happened during the last debate I was involved with on the old style OPF. A PM made its way into my inbox entrusting me with "a personal secret" and as a result I could not involve myself any further in that debate. If I am being tested to "keep secrets" then this forum is not for me.
Give me direct, upfront and moderated criticism or indeed praise and flattery anyday but behind closed doors in the realms of an inner sanctum, no thank you.
I am grateful to you for raising the point.
Pete
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Jul 15, 2009 7:11:31 GMT
Post by Admin on Jul 15, 2009 7:11:31 GMT
Behave David, thats not polite It took me a while! It seems more than one person is uncomfortable with private messages. Fair enough. I can't see a problem with it myself but in deference to them as do, If you wish to use the PM system (for eg to send somebody information irrelevant to the debate or personal communication) please refrain from doing so to any who wish to "opt out". If you don't want anything to do with PMs, don't open any. I'll see if there is an opt out" feature I'm not going to forbid people from sending PMs, many have found it a useful system. But if you want to do it, just do it. Privately . Trying to get a balance of robust debate without it getting too personal and rough. I've had critism that I'm going too far in BOTH directions, (that i'm over AND under moderating). Y'all will have to bear with it! We're still calibrating the level here. Regards Admin Getting greyer by the hour!
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Jul 15, 2009 12:32:49 GMT
Post by blinda on Jul 15, 2009 12:32:49 GMT
Hey Shy, Not sure where you got that impression from? I never submitted it for publication anywhere, I never intended for it to be. It does remain the property of the university for a number of years, so would have to seek their permission to publish, but I don`t want to because I am so tired of the regulated, previously unregulated and unregulated debates that have and will continue to fly around the forums. I don`t want to appear as rude and I appreciate why you consider my very limited (because it was undergrad) research project worthy of discussion, but I do have more important matters to occupy my time. But if we had `closure of the profession, would we be able to advance as a profession ? It is my view that podiatry has only been able to gain (limited) prescribing rights and podiatric surgery by pushing boundaries that were not so restrictive to not allow progression. An interesting point you make regarding whether any Allied Health Profession should be to a degree standard. Perhaps deserving another thread? Yes, I did and still do consider that my training with the IOCP was adequate for me to practice safely as a chiropodist because our scope of practice was very clearly defined in our training, codes of practice and insurance. We were encouraged to formulate professional relationships with, what were, State Registered Chiropodists and GPs for the purpose of referring anything that was beyond our remit. I didn`t undertake the degree because it was an alternative or better course. Sure, it was more in depth but, as Davidh eloquently put it, was part of the progressive career in foot health that I am continuing to develop in. Hey Pete, There really is no conspiracy. For those that want to know what I said `secretly` to Pete; Forgive me for thinking I was being polite for explaining to you why I was taking my time in replying to your post. The only discretion required was not to start an open discussion on the illness of a family member. Cheers, Bel
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seekerofwisdom
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Jul 15, 2009 13:18:42 GMT
Post by seekerofwisdom on Jul 15, 2009 13:18:42 GMT
Belinda,
If I am mistaken then I do apologise.
I thought it was a discussion on the SCP site but perhaps it was someone else who had done a similar piece of research and a similar route into Podiatry.
So if you believe your private training was adequate to practice Chiropody then can we also conclude that you think the present training for FHPs is also adequate and that they should be able to use the title Chiropody?
What reasoning to you use to encourage new entrants into the profession to go down the Degree route if their goal is not 'progression'?
Shy
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Jul 15, 2009 13:43:42 GMT
Post by michellet on Jul 15, 2009 13:43:42 GMT
If I am mistaken then I do apologise perhaps a little more thought before you post your gossip and (inaccurate) rumour and a little less ego would save you the need to apologize.
What reasoning to you use to encourage new entrants into the profession to go down the Degree route if their goal is not 'progression'?
she's told you already! read back the last page of posts.
A PM made its way into my inbox entrusting me with "a personal secret" and as a result I could not involve myself any further in that debate. If I am being tested to "keep secrets" then this forum is not for me.
There really is no conspiracy. For those that want to know what I said `secretly` to Pete;
Quote:Hi Pete,
I hope you don`t mind me PMing you.
Further to your thought provoking recent post, I feel that I should explain that I will make a reply (hopefully) within the next week or so. Family illness is taking precidence at the moment I`m afraid.
Obviously, i appreciate your discretion here.
Cheers, Bel
oh how dare she[glow=red,2,300]. Pete you're a prat, you know that don't you. perhaps this forum is indeed "not for you" don't let the door hit your bum on the way out. you won't be missed!!!!!![/glow] [glow=green,2,300]ADMIN NOTE
By request I have not removed or edited this post. However those statements I've highlighted are not acceptable and would otherwise be removed.
For future reference, if you wish to disagree or express an opinion on what someone else has SAID then that is well and good. But personal attacks are never acceptable no matter how much you may feel them justified. All they do is inflame the situation which derails the debate from constructive areas. [/glow]
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seekerofwisdom
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Jul 15, 2009 14:18:41 GMT
Post by seekerofwisdom on Jul 15, 2009 14:18:41 GMT
michellet
For an opinionated FHP you are beginning to sound like a female version of the great silverback .
I am sure Bel is more than capable of holding her own in debate without your input. Let me give you a word of advice- when you dont know the facts keep quiet.
regards sunseeker
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Jul 15, 2009 14:36:43 GMT
Post by michellet on Jul 15, 2009 14:36:43 GMT
a what!?!? Gorillas don't tend to talk much in my experience!
Let me give you a word of advice- when you dont know the facts keep quiet.
Well it does'nt seem to stop anyone else on this forum, infact i think that was the advice i gave to shy not one post ago. and back on page 1 there were all sorts of wild claims flying about what grandparented are always saying so save your hypocrisy for somebody you've got a better chance of intimidating sweetie.
so thanks but not thanks for the advice. i know the truth hurts but try to take it in, it'll make you a better person. if you don't like your reflection, don't blame the mirror.
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Jul 15, 2009 14:58:56 GMT
Post by blinda on Jul 15, 2009 14:58:56 GMT
Now I`m not sure if Sunseeker is Shy (that is the handle `shy`, not enquiring about his bashfulness), or another poster. Whilst I appreciate both your efforts to say that I can hold my own in a debate and that I may be in danger of repeating myself, please can we keep off the personal insults, whether it be of the primate variety or catching bums in doors? OK, after a little searching of the SCP forum, I found what I think you were referring to Shy. I don`t think it is ethical to copy comments from another forum, particularly as it is open to members only, so I will provide a brief synopsis; During the course of a discussion on use of letters to advertise ones qualifications, someone suggested that it may be beneficial to read an article on a practitioner`s experience of private training and then went on to undertake the degree. I replied that I would be happy to write such an article and then added " but I don`t think it would be published. Too controversial. My dissertation wasn`t published for the same reason”So I can see why you came to that conclusion now, as you could easily read that as my dissertation being rejected. But it wasn`t. I never submitted it because I considered it to be too controversial, and had had enough of the whole debate by that time anyway. I don`t understand this question; Progression and improvement of practice is something that, I hope, all practitioners embrace. I`m not in a position to comment on whether the present training for FHPs is adequate, as I have not seen any of the courses content. Of course they shouldn`t use the title Chiropodist, that would be very naughty . Sorry to be flippant. I really hate debating this subject, in case you hadn`t noticed! Cheers, Bel
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Jul 15, 2009 15:01:33 GMT
Post by dtt on Jul 15, 2009 15:01:33 GMT
they just sit quietly watching and waiting BUT Well done Michellet dont be intimidated by these half witts, if you have something to say on this forum SAY IT !! You were quite correct in your conclusions on this thread IMHO Belinda is a very capable debater and practitioner who is a friend and colleague and one of the Tamworth 10. So we watch each others backs I'll go back to watching and waiting now . Oh and BTW I DONT debate with anyone unless they put their name to the post ( why I dont post on TFS) So you wanna debate ? Fine just put your name to it.
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seekerofwisdom
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Jul 15, 2009 18:53:31 GMT
Post by seekerofwisdom on Jul 15, 2009 18:53:31 GMT
Belinda.
Just for clarification, Seekerof wisdom / Shy is only one person.
Robert has been gracious to allow an untraceable log in facility.
For which I award major Kurma.
Robert is trying very hard to make this forum work.
Despite many a heated debate with Robert I believe we respect each other.
Shy is a vicious debater, however that degree of analysis has in the past produced some amazing results.
Every one has the choice to engage or not.
Should this forum settle down then
Shy may well 'enrole' but for now Shy remains shy.
Shy promises not to use another pseudonym on this forum.
Now no problem if you do not want to do anything with your dissertation, sorry about the misunderstanding, but I think we now understand that. I have a very strange memory for marginal links etc.
I feel that a lot of undergraduate research is dismissed as 'a technical exercise' shame really as I believe 'new thoughts' have to be generated somewhere, and what better source than the 'naive'?
My dissertation was on force plates, bad choice, the moderator was in those days a major publisher of this 'new' modality and he did not like me dissing his 'research'. I still distrust force plate data!
Perhaps a thread for the BIos?
I have at some time tried to promote research projects for the individual practitioner, it's possible there are far more methods than RBCs, but there is no 'coordinating center.
Goodness the research base for Podiatry is poor.
Hope you will learn to like Shy.
Shy.
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Jul 15, 2009 19:44:57 GMT
Post by blinda on Jul 15, 2009 19:44:57 GMT
yep, friends forever Hello again Shy, Yep, I got that. I was asking whether `Sunseeker` was the same as `Shy`, but as you have clarified you are indeed not a posh boat. Certainly agree with you there, Shy. Robert is just a good egg, eh? He and I have also agreed to disagree on some ideas (He gets all huffy and calls me `Missy`). Actaually I like your debating style, Shy. I hope that didn`t sound patronising, it wasn`t meant to be. No need to apologise, all understood and happy and (not shouting, just emphasising) we achieved it by polite, yet firm debate. Hope others can take note. There is no need for personal snipes. I`d agree with you there. Research, that ol` nut shell. We could definitely do with some more relevant studies being made available for the humble private practitioner. I`m in the middle of writing up a very simple series of case studies in a dermatology project that I have been involved with. The aim is to make the data as interesting and practical as possible. No need to learn, I already do. Cheers, Bel
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10feet
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Jul 15, 2009 21:01:47 GMT
Post by 10feet on Jul 15, 2009 21:01:47 GMT
Bel
Somethings are best left unsaid.
An open debating forum is just that, open for debate now, next week, next month - revisiting the debate, whenever however. Nobody will think any the better or any the worse of you if you are unable to engage for any length of time.
Private information is best left as just that - private to you and yours.
Asking for discretion from a complete stranger, odd. That is your choice but for my sake please keep correspondence in the public domain.
I will not respond to private mail on this forum.
Michelle, I was under the impression that this is a new forum, the old one being laid to rest. Habits die hard I realise but I am prepared to support Robert, certainly in the short term, to improve the "atmosphere" on here. He has certainly taken on an uphill struggle.
Robert, please don't edit Michelle's indiscretion - it is quite enlightening and may explain her immediate defensive introduction to the forum. After all we must respect equality and diversity.
Pete the Prat
Do you like my new moniker? I do.
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Jul 15, 2009 21:18:57 GMT
Post by blinda on Jul 15, 2009 21:18:57 GMT
Agreed.
Hmm, I suppose it`s better than Paranoid Pete....only kidding, really.
(Ever so slightly) Odd Bel
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